Monday, February 07, 2011
Re-Surfacing Theory on Khazarians and Jews
The Kazharian theory of the origin of some Jews has surfaced again because it has been found that 38% of Ashkenazi Levites are not from the male (Ydna) Semites but from Sorbians (Eastern European non-Jews).
The Sorbian language group are made up of Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Kashubians around the area of Germany and Poland.
I know that many haplogroups other than Q1b have claimed they are the connection to Khazarians, but this one I fail to undestand. Perhaps someone can explain it to us.
That seems to let Q1b's out because they originated from Siberia, Mongolia and parts of Turkey thousands of years ago, connecting even to the native Americans. However, it seems to me that Turkey was closer to Khazaria than Eastern Europeans were. Q1b's make up about 5% of Jews today.
Resource: Avotaynu, Vol 12 # 5 February 6, 2011
The Sorbian language group are made up of Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Kashubians around the area of Germany and Poland.
I know that many haplogroups other than Q1b have claimed they are the connection to Khazarians, but this one I fail to undestand. Perhaps someone can explain it to us.
That seems to let Q1b's out because they originated from Siberia, Mongolia and parts of Turkey thousands of years ago, connecting even to the native Americans. However, it seems to me that Turkey was closer to Khazaria than Eastern Europeans were. Q1b's make up about 5% of Jews today.
Resource: Avotaynu, Vol 12 # 5 February 6, 2011
Labels: Ashkenazi Jews, Khazaria, Levites
Monday, December 27, 2010
Q1b Goldfoot Line-The "Smoking Gun" of Khazarian ancestry
Nathan Goldfoot b: 1872 Home in Portland, Oregon. Moved there in 1906. 
Charles b: 1906 and Morris Goldfoot b: 1908at home in SW Portland, Oregon
Nadene Goldfoot
Dr. Behar is a famous geneticist. Reseachers, after discovering the haplogroup Q among Ashkenazi Jews, declared that only 5-8% of the Ashkenazi gene pool is made of Y chromosomes that originated from non-Jewish European populations. Haplogroup Q is a "minor founding lineage" among the Ashkenazim. It is found in 23 out of 442 Ashkenazi results (5%). They were interested to find that out of 50 non-Jewish Hungarian results, Q did not appear at all.
19 out of 23 Q results followed this pattern. DYS 19=13; DYS 388=12; DYS 389i=13; DYS 389ii=16; DYS 390=22; DYS 391=10; DYS 392=15; DYS 393=13; DYS 426=12; DYS 439=16.
The Goldfoot test of Q1b shows our DYS 389ii=29 and 30 instead of 16; and DYS 439=12 and not 16. Yet, after having the Deep Clade Test which comes after having all 67 alleles tested, we are in the category of M378, P36.2 along with many other Q's.
Behar called Q a "minor founding lineage," placing our group amng "those haplogroups likely to be present in the founding Ashkenazi population." The problem is that Q is rarely found in Middle Eastern populations in DNA studies, so most likely did not originate in Israelite ancestry. It's found among all Ashkenazi groups showing that the founders of this group either mixed with a number of separate Ashkenazi populations or entered through western Europe before Ashkenazis migrated in large numbers eastward in the 13th and 14th centuries.
The low haplotype diversity shows that a small number of closely-related founders merged with the Ashkenazim while living in Western Europe (most likely Germany, I think, due to our name of Goldfus/ss-Goldfoot). You can assume that the Ashkenazi population had 25,000 around 1200-1300 CE. This would mean that 1,000-1,500 Q's became part of the population then. Our ancestor was among them.
Q is rare in Europe as well. It occurs in Hungary 2.6% and much higher % in Siberia. It is found in Norway and the Shetland Islands of Scotland where many Norwegian Vikings settled. Q is found among Scandinavians as much as in Ashkenazim, and this is where most Q's are found. Both these groups evidently share a common ancestor from Central Asia or Eastern Europe.
Dienekes writes in 2004 that if Proto-Khazars were similar to today's Altaians, then they would have a frequency of about 22%Q. He thinks that Khazars have mixed into the Ashkenazi Jewish populations likely. The Khazars of Khazaria most likely were somewhat mixed with Western Eurasian elements, decreasing their frequency of having a Q haplogroup. He said that Q is found in high frequencies in only a few regions of the world. He agrees with familytree in that the origins were in Siberia or the Altai where Q continues to be a common Y chromosome haplogroup. Native Americans are Q3 and also originated there. They had left their Altai homeland earlier than the Ashkenazi or Scandinavians. They migrated to the New world between 10,000 to 17,000 years ago, giving them time to develop their own subgroup of Q3.
The Kets and Sekups who live on the eastern part of Western Siberia and the Yenisey River Valley can trace their origin further south on the slopes of the Altai mountains where Scandinavia's Q and K ancestorss originated. It could also be the homeland of Khazarian Q ancestors whose descendants are found today among Ashkenazi Jewish groups.
Research: A Mosaic of People: The Jewish Story and a Reassessment of the DNA Evidence by Ellen Levy-Coffman http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm
Labels: Altai Mts., Ashkenazi Jews, Q1b haplogroup
Saturday, December 11, 2010
Telsiai, Lithuania, Home of Goldfus/Goldfoots
10/22/08 From Preserving our Litvak Heritage by Josef Rosin by JewishGen.Inc.
Nathan Goldfoot's family is thought to come from Telsiai or Telz in Yiddish, as many of Stanley Goldfoot's family reported to come from this city. It is one of the oldest towns in Lithuania and is in the NW part of Lithuania, the Zemaitija region on the shores of Lake Mastis and is even mentioned in Crusader chronicles in 1320. In the 2nd half of the 15th century a royal estate was established there. The Swedes invaded in 1710. 2/3 of the population died from epidemics at that time. Until 1795 Telz was a part of the Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom. Telz fell under Russian rule from 1802 as part of the Vilna Province (Gubernia) and from 1843 as part of the Kovno Province. In 1812 Napoleon's army passed through and left their big gun which is now in the town park. The town was damaged in Polish rebellions of 1831 and 1863. A fire caused a lot of damage in 1907 that lasted 2 days. Old wooden houses were replaced with brick.
Jews settled here at the beginning of the 17th century. In 1797, 2,500 people lived here of which 1,650 were Jews (66%). 1831 Polish rebellion saw Telz Jews suffer from rebels and Cossacks. Famine hit the land from 1869-1872, and my grandfather was born in 1872. Pograms against Jews in 1880's in Ukraine and other places had damaged the self confidence of Telz Jews. They were being conscripted into the army for 6 years. This is when many young Jewish men left Telz and immigrated to America, Argentina and South Africa. This immigration went on till WWI. during 1893 there was a cholera epidemic and took many poor Jews who lived in overcrowded conditions that had bad hygienic conditions.
In 1841 there were 25 Jewish artisans, 14 tailors, 10 shoemakers and one watchmaker and a lot of wandering artisans.
12/24/08 "I'm so happy for you that this is most likely the arrival of your grandfather. I feel that Nathan could have been a brother to my grandfather who was Haim (Chaim) Goldfoot as as all their dates seem to coincide. Or perhaps they were at least cousins all descending from Abraham Goldfoot(Goldfus) of Lithuania. The fact that they all went to Ireland in the 1890s seems to indicate that they all had an early family connection there. My grandfather settled in Dublin and yours left for Canada/USA. My grandfather died in Cape Town in his early 90s in 1952 or 54, whilst your grandfather died 20 years earlier at age 70. They must be all connected so therefore we must be connected too.
1/25/09 Avotaynu: In the 2nd half of the 19th century, the territory of Lithuania belonged to the Russian Empirre. Directly on the border were Kovno (Kaunas) and Suwalki guberniyas (provinces), the westernmost portion of the Pale of Settlement. No major work yet has been done on the Jews of Kovno and Suwalki guberniyas. At the end of the 19th century, Jews comprised 13% of Kovno guberniya. Of that, 43.4% lived in the cities of Kovno (Kaunas), Panevezys, Siauliai, and Ukmerge (Vilkomir); 54% had settled in Shtetles (villages); barely 3% lived in the country-side.
Over the centuries, a few well-connected Jewish merchants got permits, often temporary, to live within the boundaries of Russia. According to the Goldfoot genealogy from Stanley Goldfoot, his family was allowed to do that. They were corn merchants. Even within the Pale, Russian authorities frequently expelled whole communities of Jews and made them settle in desolate rural areas where they had no hope of making a living, hoping that these measures would get them to leave the country.
Nathan Goldfoot's family is thought to come from Telsiai or Telz in Yiddish, as many of Stanley Goldfoot's family reported to come from this city. It is one of the oldest towns in Lithuania and is in the NW part of Lithuania, the Zemaitija region on the shores of Lake Mastis and is even mentioned in Crusader chronicles in 1320. In the 2nd half of the 15th century a royal estate was established there. The Swedes invaded in 1710. 2/3 of the population died from epidemics at that time. Until 1795 Telz was a part of the Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom. Telz fell under Russian rule from 1802 as part of the Vilna Province (Gubernia) and from 1843 as part of the Kovno Province. In 1812 Napoleon's army passed through and left their big gun which is now in the town park. The town was damaged in Polish rebellions of 1831 and 1863. A fire caused a lot of damage in 1907 that lasted 2 days. Old wooden houses were replaced with brick.
Jews settled here at the beginning of the 17th century. In 1797, 2,500 people lived here of which 1,650 were Jews (66%). 1831 Polish rebellion saw Telz Jews suffer from rebels and Cossacks. Famine hit the land from 1869-1872, and my grandfather was born in 1872. Pograms against Jews in 1880's in Ukraine and other places had damaged the self confidence of Telz Jews. They were being conscripted into the army for 6 years. This is when many young Jewish men left Telz and immigrated to America, Argentina and South Africa. This immigration went on till WWI. during 1893 there was a cholera epidemic and took many poor Jews who lived in overcrowded conditions that had bad hygienic conditions.
In 1841 there were 25 Jewish artisans, 14 tailors, 10 shoemakers and one watchmaker and a lot of wandering artisans.
12/24/08 "I'm so happy for you that this is most likely the arrival of your grandfather. I feel that Nathan could have been a brother to my grandfather who was Haim (Chaim) Goldfoot as as all their dates seem to coincide. Or perhaps they were at least cousins all descending from Abraham Goldfoot(Goldfus) of Lithuania. The fact that they all went to Ireland in the 1890s seems to indicate that they all had an early family connection there. My grandfather settled in Dublin and yours left for Canada/USA. My grandfather died in Cape Town in his early 90s in 1952 or 54, whilst your grandfather died 20 years earlier at age 70. They must be all connected so therefore we must be connected too.
1/25/09 Avotaynu: In the 2nd half of the 19th century, the territory of Lithuania belonged to the Russian Empirre. Directly on the border were Kovno (Kaunas) and Suwalki guberniyas (provinces), the westernmost portion of the Pale of Settlement. No major work yet has been done on the Jews of Kovno and Suwalki guberniyas. At the end of the 19th century, Jews comprised 13% of Kovno guberniya. Of that, 43.4% lived in the cities of Kovno (Kaunas), Panevezys, Siauliai, and Ukmerge (Vilkomir); 54% had settled in Shtetles (villages); barely 3% lived in the country-side.
Over the centuries, a few well-connected Jewish merchants got permits, often temporary, to live within the boundaries of Russia. According to the Goldfoot genealogy from Stanley Goldfoot, his family was allowed to do that. They were corn merchants. Even within the Pale, Russian authorities frequently expelled whole communities of Jews and made them settle in desolate rural areas where they had no hope of making a living, hoping that these measures would get them to leave the country.
Labels: Ashkenazi Jews, history, Lithuania, Telsiai
Thursday, October 14, 2010
My Female Line's DNA Hattie Jermulowske-Wdna
We found out through my grandmother's granddaughter (my first cousin) from her daughter, Ann, that the female line is of W haplogroup, a haplogroup not even mentioned in the book "The Seven Daughters of Eve." It branches off of N, of which there are two; N1 and N2. One of these has more Ashkenazi Jewish ladies than the other. All indications are that my grandmother came from the wrong one. Now I see that they also have different W's.
P.S. 11/2/2010: The latest thought is that W's came from Central Asia originally.
Peter Fischer gives some W explanation on the W website.
Additionally many Eastern European Ashkenazi are W's. W is as common in the Ashkenazi as it is in the general Eastern European population.However there are distinct W lineages in the Ashkenazi, indicating specific Jewish founding mothers. Unfortunately not many of them have FGS tested so I don't have a good grasp on which W branches these founding mothers are.One tested Jewish W lineage is W3a with C12923T in the Coding Region. All W3a also have T199C. However this isn't restricted to W3a. The HVR1 motif is vanilla. HVR2 is interesting as it has missing A189G.Wells and Behar have found numerous N1 mtDNA sequences in the Askenazi, however this entirely different and unrelated to W's in the Ashkenazi.Also don't take my word on it:http://www.thecid.com/w/natlgeo.htm
The most interesting line in the above article to me was this one: This is interpreted to mean that half of the Ashkenazi are descended from a very small group of women from the Near East of four mtdna haplotypes who migrated to central Europe about 2,000 years ago.
P.S. 11/2/2010: The latest thought is that W's came from Central Asia originally.
Peter Fischer gives some W explanation on the W website.
Additionally many Eastern European Ashkenazi are W's. W is as common in the Ashkenazi as it is in the general Eastern European population.However there are distinct W lineages in the Ashkenazi, indicating specific Jewish founding mothers. Unfortunately not many of them have FGS tested so I don't have a good grasp on which W branches these founding mothers are.One tested Jewish W lineage is W3a with C12923T in the Coding Region. All W3a also have T199C. However this isn't restricted to W3a. The HVR1 motif is vanilla. HVR2 is interesting as it has missing A189G.Wells and Behar have found numerous N1 mtDNA sequences in the Askenazi, however this entirely different and unrelated to W's in the Ashkenazi.Also don't take my word on it:http://www.thecid.com/w/natlgeo.htm
The most interesting line in the above article to me was this one: This is interpreted to mean that half of the Ashkenazi are descended from a very small group of women from the Near East of four mtdna haplotypes who migrated to central Europe about 2,000 years ago.
Labels: Ashkenazi Jews, W MTdna
